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erjavi
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 Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:33 am Post subject: Challenge or problema? |
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Last minute, thanks Tikun Olam for the reserve at the hotel in Jerusalem (the World is full of discovers). No winners and no losers, we win all, tisis the unique bet possible.
Coming back to the table, Congratulations Leyden University, and European Union. Ms. Bond will receive the Venice Draw at the meeting at the end of August.
Challenge or problema?
I had a fantastic teacher at University called Secundino Valladares, at Antropología de Iberoamérica class. He had teached in California I think, and said two things I never forgot. First was than the most libertarian, democratic, free place in USA was the campus of Berkeley University, an island inside the country. Years alter, and looping the implication of some movies, I thought Hollywood, despite sometimos, was the place for say but was taboo in other contexts. Now I think this position is in Internet.
When I wrote the book of Spanish ghostowns involuntarily I was notary publico f one fact, standardisation (cars and TV) finished a millenary way of life in general terms, of course with many exceptions details than still make unique Spain inside developed countries, maybe looks than our mountains helped us more than other countries to preserve incredible traditions. Now, involuntarily again, I am notary public and certify than Internet has been first respect conventional media towards deal with big challenges of future (¡y qué pena!). It means the beginning of the end? Electronic information is more Peak weak respect conservation than others materials.
The second comment of Secundino I remember is the difference between challenge and problema. Problema is a latino expresión than shows an attitude, an obstacle difficult for win, Catholic mentality he said. Challenge shows an exciting excuse for ameliorate, Protestant mentality he said.
Of course I am not latino, I use this expression just for look complicity with Venetians. Spaniards, British, Icelanders, Greenlanders, spam and Turquish (no sé si me dejo a alguien) we share the “no land” continente perspective, we are Europeans but do not feel many times like Europeans. In fact I see Catalonians like “Europeans” ans Basques like a special type of Europeans. Without mention than I have guanche blood, so I am half African, other European “no land”. In some aspecto I am not European and not African. Like Venetians in some aspects, because they loved their autonomy till the point of build a city over stakes during centuries. And reading the Barbarian document it is only a source of richness and creativity for Europeans, for share richness with the resto f the World, and believe me standardised world is so useful, far and little compared to the first…
Now Leydenans has cross the Discover´s sea and are knocking to your door. And I hope nobody will be angry with me if I propose Oregonians will have the primacy of their news for be expanded Worldwide. What are you going to do, Venetians, challenge or problema? The party continues at Venezia? If so, just announce including “enter” and Leydenans will go.
Then Venetians, from latino to latino, challenge or problema?
Footnote 1:
Somebody knows where are the architectural library with global, non wexccentrics architectural books? Some paths have been made in art i.e. http://www.arte10.com/noticias/propuesta-467.html . Rsii, the book “The idea of building” it remembered me to a Sabine essay in architecture but at low scale, and Western too, I would need more time t oread it. The other, “Refabricating architecture”, apparently is easier t oread, apparently, looks more operative.
More global books on libraries, less Western perspectivas than surely will help value other World democracias.
Footnote 2: I have no idea if the ice sheet is going to be under, equal or over 2007 levels (era un farol), and the comment respect Svetlana is because the seal do not have ears, but I think heard the retire of ice sheet each year since the spam coast towards North Pole. The work of Svetlana is a farol too, but I do not why I had the feeling her work, together with the other colleagues, could have some relationship respect hear ice.
Leyden University initiative, UE initiative, is not a farol, sería una jugada demasiado arriesgada en la que sólo perderían. Do not surprise if media refer the forum, and more people reads, but not public debate are launched. Or not?
Ha sido una partida de cine. See you in Leyden, University. |
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erjavi
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: nowinnersnolooseralltogethernow |
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Was Erik the Red a color-blind navigator or a visionary? Because he called the snowed island Greenland. Other color-blind people a long the history were visionaries, filling our life of humour, encounters and colour
http://www.daltonicosnoanonimos.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96:albert-uderzo&catid=51:famososdaltonicos&Itemid=92
http://www.daltonicosnoanonimos.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=108:vangogh&catid=51:famososdaltonicos&Itemid=92
but it looks Erik was not in any of both groups, although his trips helped other people arrive new lands, and like Shackleton, shows than crossings are only partially successful if we are not travelling together. Sometimes information route map is half hidden http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090805/full/460672a.html,
but important is than people begins to sail for arrive new panoramas
http://www.re-burbia.com/
http://www.srsenergy.com/Products.aspx
http://- abuse alert -/view/Solar_forest
http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/07/16/lawnge-chairs-grassy- green-park-lounges-in-the-netherlands/
(and we can, now I am not in Spanish National Library so I can attach videos) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2vQvHvPRlk
http://www2.deutschegrammophon.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce-Xok6SRPU&feature=channel_page
and who knows, people than moves quick for reconstruct the country http://en.cop15.dk/news/view+news?newsid=1836 http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/07/gehry-shotgun-house-new-orleans.php soon will return the Maybeflower ship (homeless), and last will be first. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:30 pm Post subject: Ocean 11 |
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I have just seen Ocean 11 in the TV. Other bet, bigger, could be possible in the table, with more time for play, just before Copenhague. But this time the game must be multifocus, and I do not mean only with the BRIC too, there are many more BRICKs for reconstruct the world, good practices have no frontiers, and many times do not depends of technology but inventiveness. But now I come back to the beach (physical), see you soon.
Are you ready? |
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solidred
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Chris, what I don't like is governments trying to control what I think. I don't like 'virtue' being deployed in a self-righteous way to bully people into certain patterns of behaviour.
Win-win scenarios? Great! I agree there.
'Good' battling 'Evil' only makes sense when the two sides of a debate can be so-defined. I prefer debates to leave ultimate judgements out and leave rhetoric as a specific status artificial technique and not presented in the guise of uncontested truth.
In the science, we have the presentation of evidence. But when that evidence is filtered out to the general public, what we seem to get is trading of opinions and manipulation of opinion.
I'm not pretending my arguments here are anything other than subjective opinion or expressions of feeling. But I'm expressing them quite forcibly because a view and huge parts of cultural and professional practice that I may reasonably disagree with are being so forcibly presented to me.
If people want to remove my freedoms as an individual because of the 'greater good' when I'm not convinced it is 'the greater good' I'll resist. By complaining about it. Like this  |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Yes, but I don't see that for example: me having this debate with you removes your freedom to believe what you want or that any debate constitutes bullying. I don't see the view that global warming science is correct is being forced on anyone.
Whether or not someone is self-righteous is any ones opinion and generally depends on whether or not that person agrees with the other persons views or not.
If we had to have 100% agreement before removing freedoms for the greater good we would have a big mess and civilization would have probably remained in the dark ages.
I am just not buying your idea that you or Fred Singer are being deprived of your freedoms. Perhaps your argument is that if this trend to believe in global warming science continues that you or he may be deprived of your freedoms at some point in the future?
Let me make one other illustration about science. When we say there is a lot of funding available for GW research this does not mean that we pay people to believe in GW. For example: We may fund someone to study arctic ice cores. What they find is irrelevant. It would not be good science and it would not make since to pay someone who is bias to some particular result. Global warming is not in our best interests and so it would be very unlikely for there to be people who simply want it to be true. If you where a scientist would you say anything was true just to make a quick buck?
Bias is a concern in science and this is why when possible it is better to use a double blind method to conduct it. Scientist understand this. Equally hiring people who are bias for and against GW does not create good balanced science. It creates two extreme points and nothing useful. If Singer can't secure public funding for research this probably only indicates that he is not a good scientist.
Finally let's consider some possibilities:
Gw theory is correct ------------------- Gw theory is not correct
We use less fossil fuels --------------- We continue to increase usage
I don't see a down side there.
But if it is correct and we do not act we could be in serious trouble.
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solidred
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:39 am Post subject: |
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What you're suggesting is a bit like Pascal's Wager: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager[/url]
In other words, it's safer to believe in global warming than not, irrespective of whether or not it is true. If you act upon the belief that global warming is true and this proves false, you've lost little and gained many sound habits. If you act upon the belief that global warming is true and this proves correct, this is the best hope of survival.
On the other hand, If you act upon the belief that global warming is false and you're proved right, you've gained little but self-satisfaction. If you act upon the belief that global warming is false and, in fact, global warming happens, you've failed to heed due warning and global disaster occurs.
See, our little chat here helps me out a bit. I'm fairly convinced that the above argument, based on yours - via Blaise Pascal - is reasonable. It doesn't rely upon me believing or trusting in anything except good sense.
Of course, some would argue that a) taking even a notional acceptance of global warming isn't a neutral - good path because it affects development in poorer parts of the world, say. Then, b) global warming doesn't necessarily mean environmental disaster.
However, I'm content to leave these broader issues out of my concern. It is where I am in a position to act or in which I have to act that I require sound knowledge and sound reasoning. And now, I think I may have enough to be getting on with.  |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| nicely put! |
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csintexas
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Of course, some would argue that a) taking even a notional acceptance of global warming isn't a neutral - good path because it affects development in poorer parts of the world |
It would be a good goal to make the quality of life approximately equal for everyone on Earth. Not only would we more effectively use human potential but we would also see less radicalism and suffering.
Is the only way to achieve this through use of fossil fuels? If quality of life is largely dependent on fossil fuel and we know we have a very limited supply should we not try and use it as effectively as possible?
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solidred
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:57 am Post subject: |
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It's certainly a valid course of action that environmental awareness can prompt more sophisticated, responsive technology as opposed to a wholesale retreat from technology.
Let's see: super-gliders whisked along the jet-stream; internet-style swarm know-how zooming in expert practices for instant adaptation to specific locales; iPhones you can eat once the next model comes out;... a subscription to WIRED magazine |
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erjavi
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:43 pm Post subject: Terra incognita |
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Hi, I just saw in the beach twice the forum and I leave again so I have no many time for write, just mention the island is coming now.
In the last weeks I saw some interesting articles of economist Krugman dealing with sustainability, financial markets, social issues, etc. Really the dialog is rich, so enlarging and continuing the bubbles perspectives, just comment than now we are in non standard innovative times, we have not one main emerging bubbles but many. Eco-machines, renewable energies, sustainable construction, redesign of suburbia like economic stimulus worldwide at all levels http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49c3646c4d3.html , sustainable landscaping like investment attractions (urban beauty calls prosperity like argued Anita Roddick), ecoPCs, liquid PCs, fashion like engine of productivity, etc.
The weak point is democracy. When I was student at University we met at the cafeteria too for discuss ideas, freely, and I never was worried about the personal position of each one, then and now, important was participate and exchange ideas. Personally and in the good sense of meaning I am not interested in personal positions of Architecture Week Staff or the others archwebs I mentioned. Together with the following webs, I appreciate the fact itself of free expression, and note than all them mentioned in different dates a study dealing with galciations and the decadence of present consume model in 20-30 years in a future dessert scenery. When I see a good practice I do not stop to see the personal position of the protagonist (between other reasons because this is not scientific).
http://www.slideshare.net/cittaslow/rete-internazionale
http://www.malaga.es/areas/presidencia/comunicacion/noticias//ficha.asp?fec=1&tin=0&ntc=5582
http://yunquera.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=63
http://www.congresodearquitectos2009.es/index.php/pdf/Comunicaciones-presentadas/178-propuesta-de-eco-ecuacion-economica-aplicada-al-urbanismo-sostenible.pdf
http://www.sanxenxo.com/servicios/foro/index_f.php?foro=2
http://waste.ideal.es/actualidad.html
http://eco.microsiervos.com/noticias/informe-sostenibilidad-espana-2008.html
Now more and more people is announcing, each time more there are giants than shows a beach, a bay, mountains, etc, in the terra incognita coming. Many navigators have fear of expand dialog but without expand dialog people simply they will not arrive to the island, this is the paradox, just something like the Flying Dutchman. A few part of humanity, even running, can not promote successful changes with the existing Countdowns, so, enriching the dialog with economist Krugman, hurricane Weakdemo do not let us arrive to a good port, independently the part of the island we select, even if we are floating on a sea of hot bubbles. (The cafeteria of my University was more free, and we had 18, crazy).
Footnote: I am sorry, Leiden University, I did not see on time it was necessary pay for assist. I do not pay for hear talk of knowledge democracy or for participate in such debate like public in the present context; my excuses and thanks anyway, I´ll send to you the Venice Draw to a mail address you tell me or to the Dutch Embassy in Madrid. Congratulations again!
In some days the next bet, Ocean 11! |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Terra incognita |
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| erjavi wrote: | Hi, I just saw in the beach twice the forum and I leave again so I have no many time for write, just mention the island is coming now.
The weak point is democracy.
In some days the next bet, Ocean 11! |
Are you on crack??? WTF? Yeh! Go democracy and republics too! I didn't know that was back in vogue.
It's about accepting the fact that occasionally Mother Earth throws us stuff, that we as a species can either be prepared or unprepared for. I expect the unexpected.
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solidred
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:28 am Post subject: |
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I printed the above articles (minus environment points) so that I could read them on the train on the way back from work yesterday (plus environment points). Thanks for the links. There seems to be plenty of other stuff to browse there too. I suppose by inclination, I tend to read information that goes against some general flow - sceptical, questioning - and so I'm looking for, essentially, critical material on Climate Change which isn't going with either a 'pro' or 'con' agenda. From what I've read in the above links, these are pretty much 'pro'. The articles are fine and I'm inclined to believe their implications that there's dirt being spread by selfish interest groups on the 'con' side. However, equally problematic is the tone of those who've commented on both articles. It seems that there are people out there who - for whatever reason - are waiting with baited breath to jump on the revolution and 'off with their heads' to all those they fundamentally dislike, distrust and don't respect. For me, this zealotry is frightening. Personally, I hold the view that the means are the ends: a person fighting all their life for an ideal finds their life defined by the fighting, not by the ideal. It's called 'stooping to the level of the opposition'. Mahatma Ghandi is the poster boy example of someone who didn't. This may come across as pretty radical in itself but, put it this way: it's an idea I'm willing to discuss. Not one I'm willing to come to blows over. At that point it looses control and becomes brutish, ugly and self-defeating.
Anyway, the first article about distorted representations and the exposed hand of selfish manipulation: agreed.
The second article - about glaciers melting - is straight-forwardly put and I don't see any good reason why it's not accurate. However, the responses to the article (or the reason for publishing it on that site) assume that this effect is borne of a particular cause: artificial CO2 causing the temperature fluctuations responsible. It's that fundamental point that I'm as yet unconvinced by. Climate changes and natural disasters are as old as the world is. So why now is the cause differently attributed? From what I've read elsewhere, the specific artificial cause identified owes to rate of change. Is this correct? |
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I'm glad you jumped in there before me. That first article was calling me out to smash those evil uneducated dirty coal loving Dick Cheney cultist. Bwaaaaaa ha ha ahaha! Awesome, just like the good 'ol days. That's the spirit we need!
The second article. Yeh, the glaciers are melting.
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| Quote: | | ...are waiting with baited breath to jump on the revolution and 'off with their heads' to all those they fundamentally dislike, distrust and don't respect. For me, this zealotry is frightening. |
I just don't see any of that in actuality. Perhaps I am missing something but other than people saying it is looking more and more like the science is correct and we probably ought to do something about it and maybe calling Fred Singer a paid denier and an idiot. (but you know he could be a paid denier and an idiot) Personally I don't consider that brutish. If he where to be shouted down in public I would consider that to be brutish.
I think we can all agree that the Earth is warming and has been for some time. Personally I prefer that to cooling. To put it into perspective I was just reading about Obama's science adviser writing a book in the 60's about how population explosion was going to be a catastrophe by the mid 70's. He is a highly educated physicist (there was never much agreement with him) He used formulas which incorrectly modeled population growth.
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