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Rana
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P.C.
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Hi
Progressive architecture is 3D-H where utopic forms get a chance a chance they never would have had with the tradisional architecture. A chance to display on a computer screen exactly as how they will perform in real, the progressive architecture attitude is here to progress even utopian visions put them to test in 3D in a way where you know they can be build, an utopian architecture could deal nothing with the way it is made possible , it even can be so utopian that it can not be build, a progressive architecture can.
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solidred
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Forgive me if, by 'progressivist' and 'utopian' you have particular art-historical movements in mind... my own thoughts here are simply a personal interpretation of the meaning of these words.
'Utopian' is perhaps a day-dream of the way a world ought to be. It therefore places desire before pragmatism and thus allows little room for contingencies as we find them in today's world to compromise the vision.
'Progressive', I'd have thought, assembles possibilities of this world as it might soon be, bearing in mind the contingencies which bear upon us but also bearing in mind the technology under development which might solve problems as they exist or present possibilities that hitherto have not.
The former might be described idealistic and the latter realistic. Both are optimistic!
Having said all of this, in being 'progressive', one really has to have an idea of where one wishes to go. It's not really sufficient simply to desire what we currently have 'plus a little extra' because the development of today's 'stuff' can go in all sorts of directions. Hence, there is often an unexpressed 'utopian' vision motivating even the most modest of 'progressive' concepts.
For example, a 'progressivist' idea may be to utilise structural, self-cleaning glass in a building whose carapace is made entirely of glass. This, though, suggests that the idea is informed by an ideal: that of the light, open world... |
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TLWalkerAIA
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My definition; Progressive Architecture is architectural conjecture and built environment arising from a commonly shared existentialist vision. Utopian architecture is architecture that arises from a non-existentialist vision that posits an idealized frame of reference and it's derivative logic structures. Look at pictures of Brazilia (Utopian), as compared to New York City (progressive modernist vision)
Good question!
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SDR
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New York City, Progressive. . .in certain parts ? Not in toto, certainly ? But let's have additional examples ?
I like solidred's take. And, isn't it true that never has Progress been more vitally necessary, if only as the antidote to the environmental degradation now being witnessed (following its prediction), as never before seen -- never before possible -- in man's history on the planet ?
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trilitica
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Agree with Mr. Walker...
Utopian has comon starts with progressive, but.... in order to be erected it need to deal with a paradox....
On the other hand, maybe utopian might be in time usefull, who knowes?
If we would be visited by an ET civilization, the best advisors might be the SF writers.... They are the only guys that spent time to built scenarios about interactivity with such a civilization, right?
Jules Verne might be considered an utopian writer in his time, but many of his ideas are now a fact.
Sky scrapers for 1000000 inhabitants might sound utopian, but.... Sometime in the future, the need to give back the earth to the Earth, might be a "must do".
Right now, a 10000000 inhabitants skyscraper is utopic becouse it would cost too much to be eficient. But if the critical mass of land ocuped by cities will be a reality, then nothing will cost too much if it preserve the grass and the trees.
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