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mx2
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 Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: Ah...what the heck, born-again-Blob topic... |
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lekizz
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hurrah 
The subject has recently re-occupied my thoughts. I need to begin a short college project and was considering finding/rediscovering the antidote to blobibsm. Is blobitecture representative of our age, the quick fix we all require in a fast paced, electronic world? Or is it an unsustainable and inconsiderate trend that will be short lived...?
Of course, I suspect the antidote to blobism is actually something quite simple that we already should know - placemaking, context, sustainability, buildability... |
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solidred
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Oh. Good. Grief.
Just when I thought blobitecture had gone to bed 
My school design has a wanting-to-go-blobby library which I'm sure will be 'value engineered' out.
Anyway, there's nothing like the emergence of a trend to make something of that nature seem irridemably trite. I'm a cultural / aesthetic snob! I want rare forms! I want way-ahead-of-fashion stellar rightness of earthquake-strength geometry!!  |
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mx2
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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c'mon folks...what's with the trendy sub-fest against Blob? This reminds me of the staus quo that threw rotten eggs at the wacky Modernistes...how dare they propose and build such things!
Blob shall have an impact on architecture forever, I am afraid (not a negative connotation but a matter of fact statement). The problem with Blob is that it has not been debated, studied, analyzed enough as part of the mainstream profession but rather has been ostracized simply because...because...it is not rational.
The anti-dote to blobitecture is nothing more than maintaining the status quo...post-modernism. But should one wish to break out of the box (pun) and work within something that has not quite been well established (still looking for a leader in potential movement...which requires lots and lots of writing/publishing), then the model has been set before you...
There is no need to destroy blob...it hasn't been fully developed. The early modernists were considered insane wackos...think about it.
I tell you what irks me the most...our PoMo saturated societies...that leaves us the same motel style one finds at the edge of back roads of any and all continents...
I year for something new...good or bad, I would like to see a renewed excahnge of ideas in Architecture through built work and theoretical explorations...Blob should have been a catalyst,...still has the potential.
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am_i_wry
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I dont know if such a thing as Blob exists. If it does i dont know what it is. What may be emerging is something which may feature complex geometry but which is born out of advanced computational methods rather than pure form-making. There is something in that which has elements of the modernist agenda and elements of the deconstructionist one (possibly). Its bloody hard to look beyond the object at times. Sometimes its hard enough to look beyond the single image even to the object. Maybe through the methodology we have a chance of escaping image to something with a philosophy again. |
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solidred
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| No, that's not it. The problem with 'blob' is it's been set up as a movement; a style to follow; an excuse to be mimetic and to stop thinking. |
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solidred
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| btw, my response above is a rhetorical go at MX2's post... |
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liljana
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Talking about modernistes. . . I'd say Corbu's Ronchamps's church seems to me alot like announcement of blob (instead of which the post modernism followed). It was too early to be accepted,. . . if he lived longer . . . who knows, post modernism is buying time to ruminate some past avandgarde ideas in the lack of new ones or courage. It's time to acknowledge the new technologies, make an effort and check out how they fit the real arhitectural principles , maybe it's just more complex geometry. This leads me to Calatrava, (. . .again  ). His structures are far from ilogical or irational, he's just very skilled engineer with a sence and idea for shape. Modernism also reexamined actually the principles and the new technologies. |
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am_i_wry
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| There is very little that is logical about Calatrava. Those forms come out of form making not out of engineering necessity. The engineering skill makes them work (and even sometimes makes them elegant and not look utterly spurious, thats quite rare though). |
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mx2
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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You nailed it on the head am_i_wry...it is indeed bloody difficult to look beyond object, particularly from decades of "objectness obssessiveness" design school ideology that leaves us enamored with impressions, not substance...the death of Modenrnism. People want to feel comfort, which is more than great proportion...its also recognizable environments, traditional objects and materials enveloping us...but Modenrism rejected the fluff and went to the core...the essence. In a way this "blob" building phenomenon is simply an embodiment of what is happening all throught the deisng world...look at the cars, watches, television sets, furniture, graphics....our world is already embracing the feel of "blob". Think of it as Hi-Tech/Organic Architecture...ok, how about Modern-Organic...naaah...It's Blob, no way around it. A curve is found in any and all sections...like an egg...an elliptical extrusion. The approach is completely and totally 3 dimensional...one has to see space before they design it. No longer can you design simply in plan.
There is potential...I don't know what it is yet. But I feel it...rhetorical responses are expected, no worries. Perhaps a few drinks later... If PoMo is buying us time, I can forgive it all...but damn! How much longer do we have to simmer in this....muck!?!?!
Solidred....do me this one solid (favor)...since you seem motivated...try, just try to design one space in "blob". Do NOT begin with form, but follow the same Modern tenets you have been trained to do...build a model if you have time. Nothing fancy shmancy...tell me your thoughts then...
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mx2
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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I was referring to your 4:40 pm post am_i_wry...for the record.
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Architorture
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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i've been doing alot of darwinism reading these days and it has really got me thinking about how the 'modern synthesis' of evolution can be applied to architecture...
one of the most intriguing thoughts that was brought to mind was that if you truly believe in evolution [nothing>chaos>order>design>mind} then you also have agreed that everything in this world is a product of the same overall 'design process'... its amazing to realize that you aren't only designing in reference to the classical orders or so other precedent in architecture but you are also in the same 'design space' as birds and flowers and ants...
what is also interesting is that many modern thinkers believe that if evolution is the rule then artificial intelligence [AI] is also a possibility since all of our own intelligence is just a huge accumulation of 'cranes' that have been built up over an algorithmic process over millions of years... so that similar cranes can be created over trillions of billions of computations in a computer over hopefully a somewhat shorter period of time- although currently still a Vast amount of time...
i've struggled over the last few months trying to think of how such a powerful idea- universal acid so to speak- can be applied to the world or architecture and be meaningful...
i wonder if blobitecture could be a potential outlet... it has an obvious connection to computers and the world of algorithims so maybe? i'm not really sure... i really don't know enough about the theoretical underpinnings of blobitecture... maybe its a good place to investigate
are there any quick seminal pieces on blobitecture and its 'purpose'?? |
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mx2
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Purpose? The same purpose as "Architecture"...and therein lies the rub; no two people have the same definition of Architecture...and certainly not its prupose. Blob is undoubtedly an outlet, an expression of sorts, but whether it has any merits remains to be...debated. Unlike other movements that you read about in manifesto, there are no real proponents of Blob. Those who design and build them do not really write about it...at leats not in a manner bent on convincing others to prescribe to its principles, much like FLLW or LeCorbu would famously do often...
As I mentioned somehwre before, there is potential...for either success or failure. It has been established that as of right NOW...Blob is merely a "style". But what unfolds next could be something...otherwise, were doomed to more mundane PoMo...in my humble opinion.
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so its kind of a style looking for a cause.... as opposed to a cause looking for a style which we are most used to...
i do some more reading and see how blobitecture pairs up with 'modern synthesis' darwinism... |
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mx2
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Yes! A rebel without a cause..I like that...haha!
Do share...my whole goal was to spark some discussion and explore ideas, not repeat that what has been established already. I'm looking for new ground here...anyone with me?
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